Show Me The Money, Barack

cross-posted at clintonistasforobama and coyotebytes

Okay. Look. I am not all impressed by the Obama Grand Tour. There was a movie a few years ago with Sandra Bullock who plays a grungy cop made over by Michael Caine to go undercover as a contestant in the Miss Universe Contest. One of the running jokes in that movie is that each contestant for the Biggie Prize ends  her speech with "And I am for World Peace."

So I just don't get how this 2 continents in  a handful of  days with photo ops, little prayers leaked to the press and Biggie speeches on World Peace makes Obama a better candidate for President.

I mean this is supposed to be shore up his foreign policy credentials? Frankly, I was embarrassed.

I also don't like grandiose and soaring hyperbole. I don't trust it. I feel as if I am always screaming in my head: but what the effing hell are you gonna do? Jeeze, as long as I am doing this I may as well say that for me, anyway, Obama's speeches don't touch Jack Kennedy's. Now that guy could give a speech.

Ok. OK. I know. I am out of synch with half the democrats in the country.  And this is probably when I should say I am going to vote for the guy. But I am nervous about it. I don't want to bring up unpleasant subjects, but FISA totally jammed up my personal little drive to get on the Bus.

Will he take out the troops in a year or won't he? Will he pick a Republican Vice President or won't he? Will he support gay rights and gay marriage, let alone repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell or won't he? For every person who tells you he will do all these things, there is another one with evidence who says he says he won't.

Obama has left a trail of  misdirection, half-truths and pandered positions that makes my head swim. And I don't like it.

So maybe now you are wondering why I am going to vote for the guy. I hate John McCain. And I hate the Republican Party. I fear the election of John McCain the way some people fear snakes. He is the Anti-Christ. And the Republican Party is the elephant in the middle of  America's living room. So I am I guess the loyal opposition. And I want to see people here hold Barack Obama's feet to the fire on basic Democratic Party principles.

I don't wanna hear about a Republican Veep because this creepo could become President. I wanna hear about repealing the Patriot Act and FISA. I want to hear about bringing back the Fairness Doctrine, so we can begin to restore the reality--as opposed to giving lip service to the ideal-- of a free press. I want a President who is friendly with the press and does not manage it in the interest of image control. I want a President committed to Social Security, raising the minimum wage and universal health care. I want a doer--not a talker. I want a President who understands the value of a civil service with appointments across the board who are the best at their job. Bush has gutted this bedrock principle--a bedrock of our democracy and its  ability to serve our citizens well and fairly.

Sure I want all the bells and whistles in terms of a forward looking thinker about global warming, about moving us away from fossil fuel dependence, about solutions to  our shrinking water supply, about our cities built in deserts, and about our over population.

So here's the deal. I am taking Obama on faith in the Democratic Party. Because this guy, himself, ain't doing it for me. Will he be another Carter, as President?  I dunno. Ok. I know some of you love Carter. I didn't. Now there's a guy who could talk you to death. I myself do not think we would have ever gotten to where we are today in the Mideast if we had acted to free our hostages in Iran Immediately. And I don't think the party would have sunk so low with the American people.

So, the bottom line is this. Dear Barack Hussein Obama, stop with the effing soaring and get down here in the trenches with us little people who need healthcare and assistance with aging parents, who are losing their  homes in the mortgage fiasco and money in banks that are failing, who want to drive cars with better gas mileage and who know the time for mass transit is Here. We don't care about  fancy speeches. But we do care about vision and commitment and honesty.  Show us the money, Barack. OK??



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"Okay. Look. I am not all impressed..." (2.00 / 4)

"Okay. Look. I am not all impressed by the Obama Grand Tour."

Well, duh.

Tell us something we don't know.

This diarist has been banging the anti-Obama drum ceaselessly for months.

Next!


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:03:58 PM EST

Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 8)

You don't know how tough linfar has had it in the last two months. Ever since she announced her support for Obama, she's had as much crap thrown at her as all the rest of us who moved on to support Barack Obama after Hillary Clinton endorsed him. So please, don't equate her with some "PUMA" McTroll. She's on our side, but she just has some questions about Obama that neither he nor the campaign have answered. You can't blame lin for that.


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:11:18 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 2)

As the PUMAs say, "I'm not really there yet".

This isn't mourning; this is a series of cheap shots ("Hussein", indeed).  Frankly, I doubt this person is really going to vote for the Democratic nominee regardless of what she says.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:35:40 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

You clearly don't know lin and haven't read all of her diaries.  This is a democracy and we are expected to criticize our leaders.  This is the Democratic Party not the People's Republic of China.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:37:34 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

I've read her crap for month now, unfortunately.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:56:27 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (1.87 / 8)

PUMA's aren't McTrolls, mister, we're democrats who want the party to unite, and for that we also want specifics.  Just today I read this:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/07/microphone-pick.html#comments

What's it mean?  Who are the experts he'll listen to, and what does he want to think about?  

I too will vote for the Democratic candidate, but I too don't want a Republican to run with him and I want to know which of his advisors he intends to listen to and go along with.

He also said that Iranians shouldn't wait for the next administration before changing their so-called nuclear ambitions, they need to deal with Bush. what does that mean?  Who told him that this is the right policy statement?  He said he'd take no options off the table, and Bush has his so-called tactical nukes on the table, why can't they be taken off?  Is this not giving Bush permission to 'take out' Iran's nuclear facilities before January, and if it doesn't mean that, what does it mean.

All these are questions I'd ask any candidate, they're not special for Barack only. Does this make me a McTroll?  

Will this comment be hidden also?  And if so, why?  Why can't one ask these questions at this critical time in history, when did asking a candidate to improve, or to be clear, become trollish.

I am not enamored of Barack but I'l vote for him. Isn't that enough creds for me to ask him to improve?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:39:46 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (1.42 / 7)

Honestly, you're not fit to carry Linfar's laundry.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:43:30 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (1.80 / 5)

really? What's with the hate?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:47:34 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 2)

I could very well ask you the same question - what's with the stuff you write at Alegre's Outhouse?  And why were you part of the little emissary of stormtroopers that came over yesterday?  People don't come over to bully folks unless they have a major chip on their shoulder.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:56:26 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (1.80 / 5)

who did I bully? somehow I missed me coming over like a storm trooper and bullying anybody.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:46:22 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 5)

What's with the hate?  You tell us:

worm (4.00 / 3)
the Barking committee, he chairs the barking committee, which is why we call him Senator Barky.  

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by: anna shane @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:57:20 AM CDT
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he wouldn't be our first (4.00 / 1)
joke president.  

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by: anna shane @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:49:08 AM CDT
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he is truly strange (4.00 / 3)
which is maybe why we can't joke about him, too much material there.  What I dislike most about him is that petty revenge thing, he is way too high on himself.  Kerry wasn't so obvious, but he sure didn't listen, and he was the one that got Obama to do the keynote speech at the last convention and he blocked Hillary from speaking.  I'd guess in the end Barack'll be 'controlled' by his handlers, if for no other reason than he's in over his head, and so he'll have to be guided, to get through anything. And he's lazy, so he'll let himself be guided.  Will it be Kerry and Kennedy, or his Chicago pals?  I bet Nancy thinks it''ll be her, bet all of them have the idea they'll be the one really in charge. the man needs Hillary, but he's too proud to realize it, or not smart enough.  Then there will be one issue he insists on getting his own way over, maybe he'll think it's smart to bomb Pakistan.

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by: anna shane @ Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 19:41:20 PM CDT
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I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:53:33 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (1.50 / 4)

so you read the ABC report about how he needs time off for thinking and that his advisors will be doing the work, and he's sooo tired?  It was funny, he is a funny guy, sometimes even when he wants to be.  In a democracy we get to bash our own, and hope they'll improve.  Did you hear Jon Stewart's joke about the New Yorker cover? Jon pointed out that if he's trying to prove he isn't a muslim extremist he took the wrong tack, because only muslim extremists are against cartoons. It was funny, because he isn't a muslim or an extremist, but he walked into it. His gaffs are funny.  he's not on the banking committee, but there is a banking committee, there is no barking committee, that's a joke, a  non-committee no one is on.  It's great the way he seems to not have a sense of irony. He's upset about Michelle being bashed (me too, by the by, she's a girl and a wife and she shouldn't be bashed, and she's smart enough to be allowed to show it) but he bashed Hillary and her negatives that were from being bashed as first lady.  It's funny.  The way he calls cocaine 'a little blow' as if he knows street talk and he thinks that's cool, is funny.  

i'd like to see him go on Letterman and read out his own top ten, make fun of himself.   I think running so seriously is a mistake, it gets old, and we're depressed enough.  

That's the main reason i want this hyping of him to end, it's off putting, tends to have a shelf life. When I've seen him interviewed and he isn't on message, he's attractive, pleasant, interesting.  Being careful won't work as well.


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:45:18 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 3)

hahaha you got pwnd!


by hocuspocus on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:54:42 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 4)

Really, anna?  It bothers you that in a personal conversation he yearned for a little free time.  That's totally human and I bet most leaders feel that. Both Hillary and Obama have proven themselves to be pretty hard workers in the last two years.  Could you get up and do what either of them has done?


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:54:48 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

i'd like to see him go on Letterman and read out his own top ten, make fun of himself.

A lot of these aren't all that funny, but here you go.


by Gassendi on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:30:14 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

More intellectual dishonesty from Anna Shane. What a surprise.

Everyone needs time off sometimes, right?

And he never said his advisers would do all the work; that's patent nonsense.

One of your themes is that Obama is not funny enough.  What's with that?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 10:26:34 AM EST
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Very high ick factor (2.00 / 1)

on those.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:24:20 PM EST
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Re: Very high ick factor (none / 0)

Yeah, and just the tip of the iceberg.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:12:38 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 2)

Daddy I want an Oompa Loompa and I want it NOW!


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:03:39 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

How damning. He agreed with David Cameron that it's important to have some free moments to wind down and reflect. Two leaders commiserating about their over-packed schedules. Scary stuff.

As for a Republican veep have you heard him say he he's going to have one... ever?  Has he said a single word on whom he might choose?  A few talking heads and unnamed sources in the capital speculate and whisper and now YOU DEMAND AN ANSWER NOW.

Whatever.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:48:34 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (1.75 / 4)

come on, he was tired during the primary, and he's still tired?  He works out, that's supposed to give a guy energy.  I truly wish he'd quit the whining, no one is forcing him to be president, it's an honor, not a burden.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:48:09 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 2)

Didn't Hillary cry from exhaustion because "It is tough" ?

They all go through rough moments, however much of an honor and a pleasure the presidency is.
We could never sustain the schedule neither of these three people keep because they believe in the country and in themselves. So let's not be idiots shall we ?

And yeah. Obama is so the whiner in this race <rolleyes>


by michellekabbott on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:54:18 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

it's not about Hillary?  That part's over, he's not running against her anymore.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:07:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

Apparently, he's running against you.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:56:39 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (1.33 / 3)

Same old Anna with more of the gibberish talk. Please take it back to the Alegre Crybaby corner.


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:17:33 PM EST
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Unnecessary and sexist (none / 0)

You are better than this.


by catfish2 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:19:45 AM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 3)

I'd love to see what you would look like after a whirlwind trip like that overseas. The jet lag alone would be rough. The day he prayed at the Wailing Wall he got there at 5am. Just imagine how early he would have had to get up to make it there by 5. That would have come after a day full of meetings and probably a semi-formal dinner the night before. Of course he's tired. Any human would be.

You people are so funny. Funny as in silly funny. You keep saying he's just like every other politician. You complain that his followers think he's something special. Then you complain that he isn't super-human. Like I said, silly funny.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:19:13 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, winning the Tour de France is a big honor, too.  Being President may be swell, but campaigning is a great big shit sandwich.  People make mistakes when they're tired (e.g. medical residents, candidates who call their wives cunts) and rushed; it seems completely obvious and uncontroversial that a candidate might want more time to rest and deliberate.  Is this making any sense to you?


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:48:49 PM EST
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You sure are a sad one. (2.00 / 4)

You prove your innitial comment to be a lie through-out this thread. You need to grow the fuck up and do what the candidate you claim to support did. But she is a far far better person, Democrat and American than you. Not to mention that she isn't throwing a toddler like temper tantrum.

Of course she must be pretty darn lazy since she took a few weeks off before going back to the Senate. At least that's what your childish comment here infers.


by Mike S on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:20:02 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

What whining? When did he complain in an interview or press conference about being tired? You're trashing him for something from a private conversation among high level public officials?

For shame.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 10:28:11 AM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 5)

WTF.

Let me be sure I have the right link here.  Is this the article you linked to?
"
At British Parliament today, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, met with Tory Leader David Cameron.

Seemingly unaware of an enormous fuzzy boom mike held by ABC News' Eric Kerchner, the two chatted casually -- and privately.

"You should be on the beach," Cameron told Obama. "You need a break. Well, you need to be able to keep your head together."

"You've got to refresh yourself," agreed Obama.

"Do you have a break at all?" asked Cameron.

"I have not," said Obama. "I am going to take a week in August. But I agree with you that somebody, somebody who had worked in the White House who -- not Clinton himself, but somebody who had been close to the process --  said that, should we be successful, that actually the most important thing you need to do is to have big chunks of time during the day when all you're doing is thinking. And the biggest mistake that a lot of these folks make is just feeling as if you have to be -- "

"These guys just chalk your diary up," said Cameron, referring to a packed schedule.

"Right," Obama said. "In 15 minute increments ..."

"We call it the dentist's waiting room," Cameron said. "You have to scrap that because you've got to have time."

"And, well, and you start making mistakes," Obama said, "or you lose the big picture. Or you lose a sense of, I think you lose a feel-- "

"Your feeling," interrupted Cameron. "And that is exactly what politics is all about. The judgment you bring to make decisions."

"That's exactly right," Obama said. "And the truth is that we've got a bunch of smart people, I think, who know ten times more than we do about the specifics of the topics. And so if what you're trying to do is micromanage and solve everything then you end up being a dilettante but you have to have enough knowledge to make good judgments about the choices that are presented to you." "

Okay.  Awesome.  Now, let me make sure I have this straight, Anne.  Could you please explain exactly what CONCERNS you about this conversation?

Is it that the potential president of the United States thinks it's important to make time to THINK about things?  Would you prefer he just, I dunno, use a Ouija board or something?  

Or does it CONCERN you that seven months in advanced he hasn't laid out for you exactly what he intends to be thinking about for those four years.  Please explain.

Or --- does it concern you that he realizes he's not the world's expert on absolutely everything and so will (gasp!) take the unprecedented approach of listening to experts as president?  And where, exactly, would you like him to deliver the list of every expert he intends to consult in those four years.  Will posting it to his website be sufficient?  Should he find he perhaps needs another expert or two down the line who weren't submitted for your approval pre-election day, should he just ignore new emerging experts or would you suggest some sort of limits on this questionable behavior...say a limit of two new experts per year may advise the president.

Am I to understand that you want to know, IN ADVANCE, which of his advisors he intends to listen to, on topics not yet imagined, and which advisors he intends to ignore?  

And please, if you would be so kind, explain how Obama should improve in regards to the article quoted above.  Not think?  Think less?  Value experts less?  Assume he knows everything?  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:37:57 PM EST
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Bullshit. (none / 0)

PUMA's are doing everything you can to destroy the Democratic nominee. You, Alegre, Larry Johnson and his slime merchants make FOX News look like the most pro Democratic place out there.

Go ahead anna with no shame. Take your ball and go home.


by Mike S on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:45:10 PM EST
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Re: Bullshit. (2.00 / 1)

I don't give them that much credit.  FOX is at least slick and sometimes subtle; the PUMAs just act like they need to be restrained and sedated for their own protection:

I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:53:42 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

I find it hard to understand what you are getting at?  does any candidate give the details of every policy he will go for, including his advisors, before he becomes president?  this is a campaign....entirely different than when the president actually takes office.  why can't you understand this??  Bill clinton made many decisions once he took office that were not in keeping with what he promoted during his campaign.  In fact,  during the first two years his admin was a disaster!  why do you anti-Obama people continue to dissect every word the guy says to fit into your agenda of 'obama is to be feared-can't trust him'?  


by mariannie on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:29:17 AM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

PUMA's aren't McTrolls, mister, we're democrats who want the party to unite [..]

So you claim that those congregating under the "Party Unity My Ass" umbrella want party unity.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of "My Ass" is?


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:24:45 AM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

Hi Anna Shane. There's something very interesting (for me) in your post.

You're saying: 'PUMA's arn't McTrolls... we're democrats who want the party to unite.'

Doubly interesting. PUMA's want the party to unite.
That's good news, I just wonder, in that case, if the name of the group is well chosen (Party Unity My Ass... doensn't sound as a heartfelt invitation to party unity). But I'm willing to believe that (at least some) PUMAs really stand for party unity.

I said doubly: I also infer from that sentence that you consider yourself a PUMA ('we').

Therefore, (at least some) PUMA are going to vote for Barack Obama in November.

This is great news. Thanks you.


by french imp on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 05:57:15 AM EST
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That's pretty rich. (none / 0)

PUMA's aren't McTrolls, mister, we're democrats who want the party to unite...

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Your name stands for Party Unity, My Ass! Don't tell me you want the party to unite!


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:14:08 AM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

You are truly a lost cause.  Who are the experts? All that is public information.  It's been reported extensively. Just do some reading.

But here's the Cliffs Notes version - They are folks from progressive think tanks, staff from Senate committees, and former Clinton administration and Hillary Clinton staff.

Hillary's former chief health care advisor now works for Obama. And there are plenty of other connections.

And, as I would hope you know, all presidents rely on experts and advisers. They know a lot but can't have the same expertise as someone who devotes herself or himself to one area of policy.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 10:24:12 AM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

She's not a PUMA troll, but there are always better ways to say it and frankly she either chooses not too or is incapable of saying it in a way to actually foster conversation about her concerns.  Some of the grief she has gotten was undeserved... some was brought upon herself.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:35:55 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

I'm unscripted.  And I don't do respect to politicans.  According to me, they all work for us, not the other way around, work for me, and owe me a real day's work.  He's not doing me a favor by running for president, I'm not grateful for whatever I get.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:51:08 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (none / 0)

more like unhinged.


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:40:32 PM EST
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Re: Hold on, Mike... (2.00 / 1)

I'm glad I don't work for you, because you'd be both ineffective and unpleasant as a boss.  People, even those who work for you, deserve to be treated with respect.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:55:18 PM EST
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Actually you are a toddler (none / 0)

who is throwing a tantrum because mommy didn't give you what you demanded.


by Mike S on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:21:41 PM EST
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Re: "Okay. Look. . . . (none / 0)

Open your mind....   Not everyone is enamored of your rock star Obama, and it's not just the PUMAs either.  It's the gasp!  progressives too.  We don't really like the acting so much, among other things. I would prefer the real Obama to this celebrity dude, even if he's not quite as fancy.


by shellius on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 10:08:01 PM EST
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"Dear Barack Hussein Obama, stop..." (2.00 / 2)

Nice!


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:06:03 PM EST

Re: "Dear Barack Hussein Obama, stop..." (2.00 / 2)

Indeed.  Much to my shame, I had passed out before reaching that part on my first read.  I'll try harder in the future.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:10:55 PM EST
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Re: "Dear Barack Hussein Obama, stop..." (2.00 / 2)

I don't mean to pile on, but how exactly was his prayer "leaked"?  Did he get David Axelrod to dress up like a Yeshiva student or something?

-hello, Jerusalem Post.

-Hello, I have something for you.

-what is it?

-It's the prayer Barack Obama left at the Wailing Wall.

-okay, we'll send someone down to look at it.  Can we have your name?

-sure, it's.... David.

-David what?

-.... I don't know.  [hangs up]


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:39:43 PM EST
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Re: "Dear Barack Hussein Obama, stop..." (none / 0)

Someone watched him throw it in with th rest, then immediately stole it, completely counter to custom at the Wall.


by Falsehood on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:25:19 PM EST
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Re: "Dear Barack Hussein Obama, stop..." (none / 0)

Agreed, Linfar - just because your fringe hypothesis about that prayer being "leaked" is the only one that validates your poor image of him, is no reason to go around passing that off as a fact.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:31:04 AM EST
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Re: Show Me The Money, Barack (2.00 / 1)

but FISA totally jammed up my personal little drive to get on the Bus.

Really?  Whenever you start thinking this, remind yourself that "Fisa" is Catalan for "small potatoes."  I agree that it was a bad call, but there are many much bigger things to worry about.  For example, what sort of terms will Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac get in their bailout?
I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:09:37 PM EST

Nice to see... (2.00 / 6)

You care so little about the Constitution. Yippee, I feel so much better now (NOT).

While I'm not saying that issues like the mortgage mess aren't important (far from it), I don't think we should simply dismiss unconstitutional power grabs like the FISA Amendments Act as "insignificant". 'Cuz if we do, what will stop future attacks on our Constitutional rights?


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:14:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nice to see... (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, let's blame barack for a bill that was forced down his throat. BRILLIANT!!!!! Forest through the trees people


by Dog Chains on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:17:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nice to see... (2.00 / 1)

wouldn't be the first candidate this cycle blamed for having a bill forced down their throat. and I hardly see the 'forced' part in this one...   the GOP machine is hardly what it was in 2003.


by swissffun on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:39:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nice to see... (none / 0)

Yeah, these things snowball, like when Abe Lincoln created an income tax, and we ended up in a police state.

But seriously, let's give this a shot...  The FISA bill has two components: telecom immunity and legal changes.  The first isn't a constitutional issue, but a matter of deterrence, and not worth complaining about, since the telecoms can always buy the lawyers/lawmakers/judges they need to avoid serious consequences.

I haven't heard anything in the second that's a radical break from FISA as it already exists.  Which part has you up in arms?


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:22:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show Me The Money, Barack (none / 0)

Potatoes are the main ingredient for French Fries.
How can you belittle them so?
by french imp on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 05:58:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show Me The Money, Barack (1.87 / 16)

Most of the complaints you list in your diary are the same complaints I see on right-wing or puma sites. Many of them are nonsensical. Just what did you expect that trip to accomplish other than to show Obama in those settings? Did you think he would bring peace between the Israelis and Palestinians during his one day visit?

Complaints about him being too scripted are also silly. You know as well as I do how people jump on every little misstep. When you are under a microscope like the one Obama has to endure, you have to control your message with almost fanatical zeal. It is also necessary to sometimes project an image that isn't completely true. A couple of examples that come to mind are Hillary in the bar throwing back shots with beer chasers or ducking and running for cover in Tusla.

You seem to be back into the 'anything he does is wrong' mode. In one sentence you complain about 'grandiose and soaring hyperbole' and in the next sentence you say he isn't really all that good as a speechmaker.

"Obama has left a trail of  misdirection, half-truths and pandered positions that makes my head swim. And I don't like it."

For someone that doesn't like soaring hyperbole you sure engaged in a lot of it with the statement I quoted above.

Just what do you think he should be doing in the middle of a political campaign? This is the time for rhetoric and speeches. He has to get in office before he can do anything concrete. What do you want from him, to go around with a baseball bat and start smacking Republicans on the head with it?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:13:08 PM EST

Re: Show Me The Money, Barack (2.00 / 2)

"Okay. Look. I am not all impressed by the Linfar Grand Tour of Obama bashing diaries"

Gotta bring it better than this. And PS. You "ain't" doing it for most rational people either.


by Dog Chains on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:16:08 PM EST

Most Rational People... (2.00 / 2)

...seem impressed by his visit:


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:12:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (1.42 / 7)

But I must admit that your bitter misery gives me some shadenfreude.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:28:28 PM EST

You should probably read the previous diaries... (1.85 / 7)

before calling Linfar a "PUMA". She fully supports Obama in the general election and is a valued member at Clintonistas for Obama. There is a history to back this up, and I certainly don't see why she can't voice her concerns about our party's nominee. There is a large field of difference between PUMAs and true Democrats who just have misgivings about the person we nominated for President. And I think for the most part, as described in the above diary, those misgivings are deeply rooted in something that is true. There are true trolls on this site, and it would be best for you to realize that Linfar isn't one of them.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:33:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (2.00 / 2)

Really?  We're supposed to dig through her library of posts to get the context of this nonsense?  I'm commenting about what I'm reading here.  I'm not really interested in reading her book of essays.

As for this diary, maybe she's not a troll, but the repetition of the McCain campaign's talking points regarding his trip sure makes her look like one.

To Linfar, a couple points: Obama has studiously avoided all speculation regarding veep choices.  Chatter about him picking a GOP veep is just that: chatter.  He's under no obligation to answer wild speculation by media talking heads. He'll probably pick a Democrat, and you'll probably hate his choice, unless it's Hillary.

Oh, and he's said repeatedly he'll repeal DADT, so I don't know what the mystery is there.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:50:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You should probably read the previous diaries. (1.80 / 5)

I've read them fo many months.

If you can't see through linfar's pattern of feigned support followed by hateful attack you really should find hobbies other than politics and blogging.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:20:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (2.00 / 2)

As far as I'm concerned, she's been just as supportive of the nominee as she should be. Some of us are not going to lay at his feet and worship him, and you all should be damn pleased as long as we vote for him. Considering the circumstances surrounding this primary, you ought to be extrememly happy that we're doing that.

Linfar is not a "PUMA", and your childish namecalling accomplishes nothing, plus, your TR of me was unwarranted. Stop calling people names and maybe you won't get downrated.

With all due respect, the Clintonistas like Linfar have done alot more for Obama on most of these blogs than you certainly ever have, by embracing him and supporting him as the nominee. Did she complain about something? Absoutley. But supporting does not equate to slobbering and fellating over him, end of discussion.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:42:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (none / 0)

zcflint05 what is with your ratings abuse??? Just because you don't agree with a comment doesn't mean that it deserves a TR. Read the rules and grow up.


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:16:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry, but what's so helpful with a diary that looks like it was lifted straight from a right-wing website?


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:54:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (none / 0)

It's a good faith testimony to the work we have left to do in convincing folks that many of the above things aren't accurate.

It tell us we have assumed that the accusations from the primaries still lurk in minds, and that we won't solve them by ignoring them.


by Falsehood on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:16:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There's no point in playing games.... (none / 0)

with the Obama haters. They are beyond logic. And wasting time answering their lies one at a time is exactly what they want since they will just repeat the lies again and again. The best thing is to expose them as McTrolls and leave it at that.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:35:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There's no point in playing games.... (none / 0)

I agree.  Just felt like saying something this time.  Honestly, I can give a damn who linfar, et al vote for.  

I've had more success convincing fence-sitting rational people who just needed a little nudge.  Unlike PUMA's, trolls, and the Sorry-Guys-I-Just-Need-A-Little-More-Tim e crowd, normal people haven't projected themselves upon any one candidate and get it that lives and money are at stake in this contest.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:50:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There's no point in playing games.... (2.00 / 1)

I wasn't originally for Obama, but he's so far exceeded my initial impressions that I freely and gladly admit I was wrong -- or had more to learn, perhaps.

Those who have closed their eyes, ears, and hearts ( everything but their oversized mouths ) are a miniscule minority who aren't worth trying to convince because they only want Obama and the Democratic Party to lose, either because they're really for McBush or because it's the only salve for their bitterness.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:51:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm sure Obama would thank all you McPumas... (none / 0)

for the never ending attacks and regurgitation of GOP talking against him if he could.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:27:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (2.00 / 3)

"Linfar is not a 'PUMA'"

Agreed.  But can we please stop the ridiculous Messiah theme?

"Some of us are not going to lay at his feet and worship him"

<roll eyes>


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:25:56 PM EST
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Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (none / 0)

thassss very good to hear. I guess the grand tour brought all that messiah business back up for me :)


by linfar on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:39:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (2.00 / 1)

I am ultra-sensitive about it now because I've been listening to some of the stupid right-wing radio personalities.  I wish NPR would stop playing classical music from 9-4.  Rush Limbaugh makes me want to punch my radio.  And it seriously adds to my road rage.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:53:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should probably read the previous diaries. (2.00 / 2)

Jesus Christ you and other Clintonistas display a level of self importance beyond anything you accuse Obama of.  Grow the fuck up already.  Vote.  Don't vote.  Do what your conscience tells you.

His supporters knows that he's no messiah, but with yours and Linfar's grade school analysis that's exactly what you expect him to be.

This is real life, not Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:30:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (1.66 / 6)

chill already with the high-school name calling. wow. what's wrong with you lately?!


by swissffun on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:40:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (1.75 / 4)

Bite me, you friggin rating abuser.

How about I start following you around and hide/tr your comments with a driveby every time they don't suit my fancy?

If you want to stick up for McTrolls and in the process be one yourself go ahead. At least then people can see you for what you are.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:16:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (1.80 / 5)

you are one of the most distasteful commentors I've run across in a while. I don't wish to have anything further to do with you. just keep your distance so we don't need to be annoyed with each other. goodbye.


by swissffun on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:18:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (2.00 / 3)

Keeping my disatance from you will be a pleasure. Does this mean I can expect no further drive by stabs in the dark from you for comments that violate no standards?

Not holding my breath, though. TR abuse is an addiction with those who practice it.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:24:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (2.00 / 1)

I feel your pain.  Swissmiss has done the same thing to me a couple of times.  

Take solace in the knowledge that you don't have to put up with "it" in real life.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:29:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (2.00 / 2)

I had a feeling I was dealing with a serial abuser. They say what goes around comes around.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:33:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (2.00 / 2)

"comments that violate no standards"

Calling Linfar a "McPuma" qualifies as attacking another user.  So, no, you are wrong.  Whether it deserved an HR or not, it can be justified.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:30:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (none / 0)

Why would any obvious McSupporter consider it an attack to be called one?


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:35:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (2.00 / 3)

Linfar was expressing honest disappointment with Obama.  Yes, she's a bit too anti-Obama for me at times, but she isn't a PUMA.  PUMAs espouse voting for McCain, specifically because of bitterness over Hillary's lost.  

You can argue that Linfar is being disingenuous when she says she will vote for Obama, but that's debatable.  And unless she starts saying we should vote for McCain, she's not a Puma.  Sorry, you lose.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:50:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (2.00 / 2)

I AM VOTING FOR OBAMA. Surely, over my time on mydd people know I mean what I say. But he scares me. And if I can't say that here I don't know where else.


by linfar on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:02:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A McPuma is as a McPuma does. (none / 0)


And it isn't about losing. It's about being a goddamned McTroll who spouts GOP propaganda for whatever reason.
by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:54:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I can understand some of this diary (2.00 / 1)

setting teeth on edge, but linfar is not a McTroll.  in fact, the PUMA folks treat her like dirt more than they do the rest of us.

Hearts and minds, man.  Hearts and minds...

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:11:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Iguess you know more about... (none / 0)

what McPumas are up to than me. I only know their dung when I smell it.


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:31:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I could only show you the door, McPuma. (none / 0)

Luthien would not approve.  I, on the other hand, am starting to come around to your way of thinkin'.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:58:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Beren was always headstrong. (2.00 / 1)


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:45:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Beren was always headstrong. (none / 0)

If only more people read the Lost Tales and Silmarillion...


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:59:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If only more people.... (2.00 / 1)

As far as I'm concerned, everything a person needs to know about values and obligations are in Tolkien's books.

The Two Towers
extract from Chapter 2
The Riders of Rohan

'I had forgotten that,' said Éomer. 'It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?'

'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'


by Beren on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:49:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Lets face it (2.00 / 7)

There are some prickly citizens who will not like Obama no matter what he does, is what it is and that is the nature of politics.  Obama won the week and that just irks partisans because they did not expect him to surpass the Clinton regime with such ease.  An unknown American politician travels around the world and commands respect from his peers and draws thousands of foreigners waving the American flag is a proud accomplishment.  To the jealous citizens their tears just fuel me.

Photobucket


by hocuspocus on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:48:39 PM EST

Re: That picture (2.00 / 6)

I think I see someone in the crowd who isn't 100% sure about all of Obama's policy positions! If you look just to the left of a vertical line which bisects the yellow sign - maybe 1/3 of the way up from the bottom...

See?

And Obama is ignoring her. Arrogant asshole!


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:04:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's some mojo (none / 0)

for the post of the thread!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:47:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We should be cheering (none / 0)

Anyone that could command this massive and spontaneous an outpouring of support abroad is doing something right. Foreign policy is hugely dependent on the ability to influence minds and hearts - I can't imagine a more suitable candidate for repairing America's badly sullied image abroad.

America needs Barack Obama, desperately.

This planet needs Barack Obama, desperately.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show Me The Money, Barack (2.00 / 6)

Lay off linfar a bit.  The diarist knows that Obama made his trip for a reason, but she doesn't care about this reason.  That doesn't make his reasoning invalid or wrong, nor does it make linfar's point of view (minus all the trollish language) wrong.  She just has different priorities than a good many Americans will when they go to the ballot this November.  Barack answered a lot of questions during his trip, and when the time comes, he'll answer more with his domestic agenda.  He's doing what he needs to do to become the next President and change the direction of this country.  

In the meantime, accept diaries like this in the spirit that I assume they're giving.  Someone sharing with a community and trying to work things out for themselves.


by hello world on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:50:01 PM EST

Re: Show Me The Money, Barack (none / 0)

thank you hello world. you got it exactgly right!


by linfar on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:37:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My Thoughts (2.00 / 6)

I understand where you are coming from on somethings and totally disagree with you on others.

On Fisa

First, FISA was a huge fuckup.  No one is denying that.  It hurt him and hopefully he will learn from it.

On the Western Wall

I am actually a little offended that you think the Western Wall prayer was intentionally leaked by the campaign (at least that is how I read your statement).  I think that is way too cynical.  The western wall is a very sacred religious place and the act of removing the prayer was bordering on sacrilage.  If you actually think he would do that, you should not vote for him.

On Iraq

You have fallen into the trap set for you by the media.  Obama has never changed his position here.  He has always said that he wants to pull us out in 16 months, but conditions on the ground matter.  The media said he was softening and you listened.

World Trip

I don't understand the people who think Obama being liked by the rest of the world is a bad thing.  Do you prefer GWB being burned in efigy or Obama being greeted by supporters?

UHC

I don't actually know what will happen with UHC so that is a legitimate concern.  We will not know if Obama was just pushing campaign rhetoric or actually cares until January.

Hope you read this and I would be happy to discuss any issues with you.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:01:10 PM EST

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH (1.72 / 11)

Jesus fucking christ. I want my presidential nominee to sit down and listen to every one of my perceived personal grievances. After that, if he doesn't clean out my fridge and fix the leaking faucet in my bathroom, I will stay home on election day!!


by highgrade on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:05:26 PM EST

Re: WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH (2.00 / 3)

And seriously, this soaring rhetoric stuff is just B.S.  "Citizen of the world?!!!"  Next thing you know he'll be telling his "fellow citizens of the world" to ask what together we can do for the freedom of man.  What kind of President does crap like that, anyways?


by Jay R on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:36:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The good ones... (2.00 / 1)


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:13:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH (2.00 / 1)

Yeah. And there's some stuff you forgot toooo. Like this: going to Mexcio to get my teeth fixed 'cause I can't afford dentists here, and going without health insurance because I can't take care of my Mom and afford it for myself, and having my Mom's retirement money in jeopardy 'cause I put it in Indymac for her. But yea, thass nothing...nothing to be concerned about when voting for the speechifier in chief.


by linfar on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:36:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH (2.00 / 3)

I'm missing the connection between a candidate going to Berlin and your dental care.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:01:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH (none / 0)

Bank Failures are scary, but I'm sure the FDIC won't let you down. The 100k part sucks though, I hope you didn't lose any money.


by Falsehood on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:05:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH (none / 0)

So send a note to the clintons, they were the one's who deregulated the banks


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:34:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show Me The Money, Barack (1.70 / 10)

And Linfar, Obama did not leak his prayer, it was stolen from the wall, but being a reporter, you already knew that, didn't you. On another note I can reccomend a good therapist to help get you